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Published: Monday, October 6, 2008

Boeing, Machinists divided over 'survivor plan'

The union says Boeing's substitution of life insurance for part of the Survivor Income Plan for Machinists' spouses amounts to a takeaway.

EVERETT -- Did Boeing Machinists go out on strike based on bad information?

The Machinists stopped building Boeing Co. jets and started picketing the company's factories on Sept. 6.

A month into the strike, Boeing and the Machinists still have different takes about certain aspects of the company's final contract offer. The two sides have not scheduled new talks since the work stoppage began.

Machinists' leaders, in urging their members to reject Boeing's offer, said the company's three-year contract offer didn't meet Machinists' demands on wages, health care, pension and job security. On the strike lines, Machinists give individual reasons for voting down the deal. Two major points of contention involve survivor benefits for pensions and the company's mandatory prescription drug program.

"I think it's unfortunate if people are striking over an issue that isn't an issue," Boeing spokesman Tim Healy said in an interview last week.

The two sides agree that one misconception is wrong: Boeing has not eliminated the survivor benefits on pension. However, the company and Machinists dispute how Boeing handled the Survivor Income Plan, a program separate from pension benefits.

The survivor plan, which was written into previous contracts, includes a "transition benefit" for Machinists' spouses. The widow or widower of a Boeing Machinist would receive $210 monthly for the 24 months after the union member's death, for a total of $5,040.

The second portion of the Survivor Income Plan, called the bridge benefit, takes effect after those first 24 months have passed. It only applies if the surviving spouse was 50 years old at the time of the Machinist's death and has not remarried, has not reached the age of 62 or does not receive full benefits from Social Security. If the widow or widower qualifies, he or she would continue to receive $210 monthly checks until remarrying or reaching 62 years of age.

The survivor plan isn't payable to a Machinist's children or other relatives.

Boeing did eliminate the plan in its final offer to the Machinists. Instead, it increased the life insurance plan for each Machinist by $4,000, Healy said. The Machinist could designate his or her spouse or another beneficiary to receive the $36,000 life insurance plan, which is paid out in one lump sum shortly after the covered Machinist's death.

But Machinists spokeswoman Connie Kelliher said union leaders viewed the change as a takeaway for the members.

"That life insurance is so pathetically low," she said. "It's embarrassing."

Kelliher noted that other Boeing employees receive life insurance policies of 11/2 times the worker's salary. Healy said the switch had been supported by Machinists during negotiating subcommittees. Kelliher disputed his claim.

"The benefits committee didn't like it," she said.

How did pension benefits get confused with life insurance or survivor income benefits?

The most likely source is the union's eight-page contract summary, distributed to members before the strike and contract vote. Under the heading of Retirement/VIP, after describing changes in pension, the union notes that Boeing "eliminated survivor benefits, which provided a monthly benefit to widows, widowers and orphans until full Social Security kicks in (bridge to Social Security)." The increase in life insurance is listed under the "minor changes" section.

Boeing and the union also disagree on how the company's proposal to impose a mandatory generic drug plan is being portrayed.

The company suggested a mandatory generic drug program for the new contract. The union, in its summary to members, wrote that Machinists would need to pay the difference between a brand-name drug and a generic drug even if the member's physician prescribed the brand-name medication. It left out that if the Machinist's physician determines the worker needs to use a brand-name drug, the physician can ask for a review with the insurance company.

When a physician prescribes a brand-name drug, the Machinist or covered party needs to see if there's a generic equivalent. Machinists who choose to take brand-name drugs, but who could use generics, will be required to pay the copayment plus the difference in cost between the two drugs.

"If there's an effective generic available, then they need to pay the difference," Healy said.

Boeing says Machinists who really need the brand-name drugs won't be denied coverage. In the case that no generic equivalent for the name-brand drug exists, if the generic isn't effective, if the member can't physically tolerate the generic drug, then the brand-name drug will be covered, Healy said. In those cases, the Machinist pays the brand-name copayment of $15, compared to $5 for the generic.

The Machinists believe Boeing's generic drug program is a prescription for increased costs to their members. Even with the appeal process, there isn't a solid guarantee that those who need brand-name drugs will be approved by the insurance company to receive the medication without paying the higher cost, the union's Kelliher said.

"The doctor would have to take the time to appeal it," Kelliher said. "It's a roll of the dice whether you would ever get it."

Kelliher said a contract should be about guarantees, and Boeing's prescription policy doesn't provide that.

"It's a takeaway no matter how you look at it," Kelliher said.

Reporter Michelle Dunlop: 425-339-3454 or mdunlop@heraldnet.com.

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Boeing changed its health care plan this year which forced hourly employees to make a change in how much they pay towards the plan per month.

Under the old plan, hourly employees could choose if they wanted to pay a deductible or utilize a no (cost) deductible plan. Under the new health care package, employees still could choose which plan fit them best but were now forced to pay either a monthly payment or a deductible. Although Boeing claims they still offer a no cost monthly plan the reality is that a family of three now pays either $80+ per month plus co-pays or the $200 per person deductible plus co-pays and additional costs not covered.

This may not seem like a lot to some, but if you multiply the costs per year and add your new prescription drug costs into the equation, an employee with a family of three now pays an additional $1000 to $1500 per year depending on how many dependents they have. Additional costs such as these add up quickly and have to be calculated as lost income.

Reality is that any bonus that Boeing may offer its striking employees as part of a contract negotiation will only go to pay for loans, lost wages, and debt during incurred during the strike. The striking Boeing employees also have to deal with bad credit which may develop due to lost wages and credit defaults.

The Boeing employees on strike strive to maintain the American dream that is quickly disappearing due to the massive out-sourcing of American jobs by American Corporations.

It is unfortunate that Boeing has refused to approach the negotiating table and appears to be “holding out” with their best and final offer. It has been said that Boeing has lost billions of dollars during this strike that currently has no end in sight. Lost wages create a trickle down effect into an already depressed economy. Many businesses in Washington State are feeling the pinch due to the unresolved contract.

The cost of negotiating a better contract for its “valued” employees would have cost Boeing pennies on the dollar instead of its wasted billions and lost production. Wall Street investors have to wonder if the company is making wise decisions during such difficult times.

It is time for Boeing to approach the negotiating table and at least attempt to settle the labor dispute. It is unreasonable for Boeing to approach a negotiating table with a best and final offer and claim they can do no better, that is not negotiating. Negotiating also does not mean that you get all that you ask for or else, but instead means that you come to a working agreement that the majority of the work force can agree upon. Get back to the negotiating table and do what it takes to resolve this dispute. Get these highly skilled workers back to work building some of the finest airplanes in the world.

L. Haggen | Oct 6, 2008 12:20 pm | 1 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
Life insurance
In my view if people are so concerned about a "survivor benefit" they should do as I did. Use some of my own money and establish a life insurance policy. AARP has some pretty good plans for the over 40 crowd. Depending on the company to provide you with life insurance is coping out on your responsiblities.
Steven Smith | Oct 7, 2008 5:26 pm | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
Lies Lies Lies
Our LEADERSHIP only needed us to strike for any reason so that they could convince Boeing that the real reason was to get the IAM pension plan. Ask your rep it is reason #1. Is it yours
Joe Young | Oct 6, 2008 4:46 pm | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
Keep on Striking. It will be great for china
You guys gotta keep on striking, until the company gets sick and tired of laze 250lb+ saps using a 15 person crew to get a 5 person job done.

And then China will offer Boeing free labor. Then you guys will be striking against a company that has moved out.

Jonbo Nic | Oct 6, 2008 1:27 pm | 1 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
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My husband is coming back to Boeing after being gone nearly 10 years. The job he currently has is non-union, our health insurance is nearly $600 a month (plus $25 co-pays and a $750 per person deductible)...he has no benefits, such as a pension, no 2 weeks off at Christmas, etc. I understand the need to try and get the best deals possible, when it comes to a strike, but there is also a place where you can't be ridiculous and you have to realize that you already have things good and you shouldn't complain!! In life, those who complain too much usually loose everything...
Holly Leggott | Oct 6, 2008 1:15 pm | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
DOW below 10,000
Not misinformed
This is why we strike!
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/business/Lift-off-for-Boeings-debut.4559486.jp


Yeah, keep telling yourself that. Outsourcing isn't going anywhere cause it's here to stay and no amount of negotiating or striking is going to change that. Just keep on striking, we'll strike ourselves right out of company, much less a job. What a way to come back from a strike, just in time to get your WARN notice, yee-haa!

Stay Strong
Stay Stupid

Spank Monkey | Oct 6, 2008 12:57 pm | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
Not misinformed
This is why we strike!
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/business/Lift-off-for-Boeings-debut.4559486.jp

shawn wilson | Oct 6, 2008 12:08 pm | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
I'm still trying to figure out
how the company figures they haven't done any takeaways...?

Why did they need to significantly change all the language if all they needed to do was increase the wages and offer $10 more in the pensions? It was written by lawyers to be understood by lawyers...that's why.

Please tell me too how it's not a takeaway to not only flip medical plans before the end of the contract and require us to pay a monthly premium, but then to increase that monthly premium, increase co-pays, increase deductibles, increase emergent care fees, and significantly change prescription drug language, essentially dictating how a doctor may end treating their patients? And don't tell me all I had to do was change plans, they are not the same plans!

Please tell me also why they refuse to offer us protection for our jobs. Mine, in materials handling, may well be one of those that goes away if they get their way. They didn't even address some significant issues and they convoluted language in others to give them an out.

I would like to continuing working for this company and I would bet the state of WA would like them to stick around and ensure decent wages so our schools, roads, businesses will flourish...yet the company won't even respect us enough to come back to the table.

CC At the Big B | Oct 6, 2008 11:58 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
Once again spank monkey
You said:
I said, the process would be to pay up front then try to get reimbursed, under Boeing's new plan...
...you would pay $15 for brand name Rx, which isn't any different than the previous contract.
Additionally, those brand name drugs would have a higher co-pay than before-...No, they would have the same co-pay as before.


And I told you, my $5 is the copay, per pill, which is my prescription, one pill- that means my co-pay for one pill will be $15. Currently, I get 3 pills for $15. Tell me how getting one pill is the same as getting three pills.
Perhaps you don't understand how paper trails can throw a wrench in the works...as I said, I have already been through this w/ the company. I would also appreciate it, as I am sure others would, that you not label someone as "stupid" for pointing out how this affects them. If you are not a machinist or a patient under constant care, you have no right to speak for me!

CC At the Big B | Oct 6, 2008 11:48 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
survivor plan
Maybe now with stories that are trying to clarify miscoceptions the two sides will finally start to negotiate.
Kim Spjut | Oct 6, 2008 1:53 am | 1 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
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It's not the fact that we have to get generic prescriptions. That only makes sense for everyone. It is the fact that the mail order prescription house can change the medication your doctor has prescribed if they don't agree with the dosage or that particular medication. Usually a lot of thought and discussion goes into a choice of prescription and that talk is between you and your doctor a third party should not be allowed to intervene in that choice.
jon dobyns | Oct 6, 2008 11:23 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
about the drug misinformation
the comment "When a physician prescribes a brand-name drug, the Machinist or covered party needs to see if there's a generic equivalent. Machinists who choose to take brand-name drugs, but who could use generics, will be required to pay the copayment plus the difference in cost between the two drugs.

"If there's an effective generic available, then they need to pay the difference," Healy said."

Just more of the hidden gotchas by Boeing.

WHAT IS NOT SAID IS THAT IF THE DOCTOR WRITES THE PRESCRIPTION AND CHECKS THE ' no substitue BOX' OR SAYS "NO SUBSTITUTE " IT IS NOT UP TO THE COMPANY OR THE PATIENT OR THE PHARMACY TO SUBSTITUTE A GENERIC

NOR SHOULD THE PATIENT HAVE TO BE A GUINEA PIG TO FIND OUT AFTER HE/SHE GETS A 90 DAY PRESCRIPTION THAT IT DOESN'T WORK OR CAUSES PROBLEMS

Just another reason the union needs competent - outside- knowledgeable - professional consultants in the fields of pension and medical issues and demand full access to the legal ( pension- medical- 401K 0 plan documents.

D S | Oct 6, 2008 11:08 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
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I said, the process would be to pay up front then try to get reimbursed, under Boeing's new plan...
...you would pay $15 for brand name Rx, which isn't any different than the previous contract.
Additionally, those brand name drugs would have a higher co-pay than before-...No, they would have the same co-pay as before.


Stay Strong
Stay Stupid

Spank Monkey | Oct 6, 2008 10:55 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
IAM
Stay Strong.
steve brown | Oct 6, 2008 12:27 am | 1 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
No Accounting for Accounting here.
Connie:

Let’s just play out one scenario. Let’s play out the “bridge” benefit – that in my opinion – you glossed over very nicely.

Boeing, according to your printed article – has agreed to raise the life insurance $4,000.00. Boeing new full well EXACTLY what they were doing and intentionally targeted a specific age group with this policy. That age group happens to be almost half of the current workforce at Boeing – those over 40.

A surviving spouse who is 50 at the time their husband/wife dies would receive the life insurance and then 2 years of transition benefits at $210 dollars a month - or a total of $45040.

Under the new plan he/she would then receive no further payments.

Under the old plan a surviving spouse who is 50 at the time their husband's/wife's death would receive the life insurance, 2 years of transition benefits at $210 dollars a month, and then the bridge benefit would kick in of $210 a month for the remaining 10 YEARS until the age of 62 or until he/she remarried. That total amount would be - $66,240.

Gosh, that looks like a pretty significant take away to me.

John Doe | Oct 6, 2008 9:13 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
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Spank monkey, I guess you misunderstood.
I said, the process would be to pay up front then try to get reimbursed, under Boeing's new plan...that is a whole 'nuther' set of hoops to jump through, I've been through it before!

Additionally, those brand name drugs would have a higher co-pay than before- for me, that means $15 a pill-because that is how my medication is dispensed, as a singular prescription. So, right now, paying $5 for just one pill means I am very careful not to aggravate my condition-

Couple that w/ the increased monthly premium and the copays for office visits and the emergency room...my wage increases are already eaten up...

CC At the Big B | Oct 6, 2008 8:43 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
bad Information
one of my prescriptions alone would cost me almost $200 a month- there is no generic alternative.Then, per the plan, it would be covered. Why place additional expense on an already bloated health care system? This is an accepted process in almost every other plan in the real world. Just because we work at Boeing we deserve something better than all the other working people? The world you Boeing Fossils know is going to come an end and it will be a direct result of this kind of crap.


Did Boeing Machinists go out on strike based on bad information? - ABSOULTELY!

Spank Monkey | Oct 6, 2008 7:42 am | 1 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
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No, we understood every detail.

The company is still attempting to strike the language that will pay any survivorship benefits, they are simply becoming creative in the way they write it.

As far as the prescription benefit, I've been through this before-you have to jump through hoops to prove you're worthy of the waiver, in the meantime, you pay up front and then have to attempt to get reimbursed- and it can be months before they agree to the waiver or let loose of your money...one of my prescriptions alone would cost me almost $200 a month- there is no generic alternative. I can't shoulder that, then fight to try and get it back. It's not the responsibility of each pharmacy to interpret ONE company's benefit plan-they will say "you pay, then ask your company for reimbursement"...

CC At the Big B | Oct 6, 2008 6:23 am | 1 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
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And one more thing, it's just like the company to go ahead and start throwing out this kind of stuff, while ignoring their desires to shed jobs in favor of cheaper labor elsewhere; something that affects not only machinist union members, but every member of our communities-
because w/out these decent paying jobs, we can no longer afford to utilize medical care, pharmacies, buy goods and services in your stores, pay taxes to support your schools and the state of WA was certainly right on board to help the company gain an extra two days so they could push a couple more planes out the door, but they must not be too worried about the loss of revenues if the company gets its way!

CC At the Big B | Oct 6, 2008 7:26 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal
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We should not have to be directed to take drugs by anybody but our doctor. Your personal doctor knows what is best for you. The review board does not care, they are there to save money for the company, bottom line! How many readers are willing to get a prescription from their doctor and have someone else tell you wrong drug take this one or we wont pay for it? For this story to be presented this way is wrong. I believe we all know what is at stake....a take away is a take away. STAY STRONG, STAY UNITED!!!
Todd Christensen

todd christensen | Oct 6, 2008 7:22 am | 0 replies | View all | Post reply | Request removal

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